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Counterfeiting -- a worry for both India and China
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Bikky Khosla | 03 Jan, 2012
According to a recent news report, some Chinese firms are increasingly faking many popular products owned by big Indian brands such as Dabur and ITC. With this, the thorny problem of Chinese counterfeiting -- worrisome not only for India but also for China itself -- has come to the surface again: this time with a broader significance.
Interestingly, these days China is trying hard to root out infringement and counterfeiting from the country in order to defend itself against constant global criticism. Recently, it has formed a "leadership group" comprising politicians operating outside the cabinet to deal with these issues. Also, it has vowed to expand its crackdown operations on counterfeit goods and establish a long-term mechanism to intensify the fight.
As far as the Chinese industry is concerned, a growing number of players are also feeling the heat. They have discovered a tawdry truth that some Chinese counterfeiters are faking their goods and selling them across the world, causing revenue loss and harming the reputation of Chinese manufacturers in overseas markets. There is also a growing feeling among them that law enforcement against counterfeiting needs to be more effective to help the industry avoid a crisis in creditworthiness.
On the other hand, the Indian industry, particularly the small and medium enterprise (SME) sector and the cottage industries, has long been feeling the heat of Chinese counterfeit products. Many small firms, particularly from clothing, leather and jewellery sectors, are rapidly losing their share to the Chinese counterfeiters due to this reason.
In this scenario, it seems that both India and China should intensify their fight against counterfeiting and infringement. While India needs to stop turning a deaf ear to the industry's appeal to introduce a stringent mechanism to counter the challenge, China, on the other hand, needs to send strong signals to the international business community that it is committed in tackling the menace.
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eSeal
Priscilla | Wed Mar 7 10:24:23 2012
In My opinion We can Reduce this counterfeits By eSeal Label on the product.
chinese traders to be blacklisted world wide
chandramohan | Thu Jan 12 10:43:05 2012
We Indians can do anything but need the support of our government to fight against chines trader's counterfeiting and infringement.
Malpractices by Chinese Exporters.
Ashok Kumar Goswami | Mon Jan 9 06:49:36 2012
In honey, china is largest producer of honey but the quality is not good. U.S.A. charges heavy dumping duty on honey e.g. 219%. But China managed to send honey USA with the help of some fake companies and honey marked as PRODUCE OF INDIA. This is very serious matter and spoil the honey industry as well as small beekeepers.If beekeeping decrease than all crops which depends for pollination on bee decreases. This is very harmful for our nation because it affect on income of agriculture sector.Govt.take aggressive step on this matter.
Measures to prevent Counterfeiting
Prof.Sitesh Dutt | Fri Jan 6 02:05:08 2012
What is needed in my opinion is measures to prevent "Lawlessness".If you strictly ENFORCE laws lawlessness will reduce along with counterfeiting,corruption and crime!
I find it amazing that everyone acknowledges that laws are being flouted with impunity and NO ONE TAKES MEANINGFUL ACTION and follows up to ensure that things improve in a time-bound manner.
In fact we should vote for the party which has a one-point agenda:"Our party will eliminate Lawlessness in a time-bound manner".
If any reader knows of such a party do let me know.I will certainly vote for it.Will you?
Worry for a lot of countries
allan_dsouza1@rediffmail.com | Fri Jan 6 01:56:13 2012
This is a worry for a lot of countries not just India and China. By the way yet in the same vein of thought has there been real concern for the counterfeiting of goods and other e-way services and programmes that India is famous for.
Counterfeiting in China
hawk | Thu Jan 5 16:10:01 2012
Simple - don't by 'made in china'
Please someone mention about measures to prevent counterfeiting
A Dev | Thu Jan 5 09:43:49 2012
Hi, I request everyone to give some concrete measures by industry as well as government and international side to prevent Chinese counterfeiting. We must stop it stop it no matter whether China benefits from it or not.
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Re: Please someone mention about measures to prevent counterfeiting
A.V.Sundararajan. | Thu Jan 5 10:33:13 2012
I shall talk about counterfeit currencies. It is far more complicated than attacking fake products.
The citizen who has a fake currency loses his hard earned money. Is it fair? The authorities can interrogate him in its efforts to track down to the source. However, if the citizen is innocent, the Govt. must make good his money.
If this becomes the law, the govt. will become serious. Now, it just can wash its hands off the matter.
If Govt cannot pay the citizen his hard earned money, how come they accepted all the fake stamp papers? Those stamp papers are akin to currency as they are printed and controlled the same way.
indifferent people incapable and corrupt leaders make a lethal combination attacking the sovereignty of our country.
I doubt if even God can save us !!!!!
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Counterfeiting – is China serious?
Sanjay K | Thu Jan 5 06:15:08 2012
I am not sure if the Chinese govt. is serious about stopping such act, if it was it would have stopped it by now keeping in mind the kind of govt that functions there. It is certainly a matter of grave concern for India as it not only risks the reputation of the company but the Indian economy too. Companies Like Dabur & ITC are giants in their own right so they can afford to take necessary steps to counter this menace. They can in consultation with their Legal team formulate appropriate strategies. Further One needs to push the Indian Govt. for some stringent law and action against the Counterfeiters. The Indian Govt must initiate Diplomatic level interaction with other countries against China and support the Indian Corporates.
I also agree with the Phrase "Be INDIAN and Buy Indian" But this will give impetus only to the Indian company but will not stop the menace of counterfeiting. I strongly believe that there must be a global action against China and their companies.
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Re: Counterfeiting – is China serious?
Jignesh D Gupta | Thu Jan 5 07:46:24 2012
Right, China is hardly serious. They doesn't need to be. We have to rely on ourselves that if our govt which is neither serious.
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Counterfeiting
A.V.Sundararajan | Thu Jan 5 05:43:05 2012
Indian Govt cannot even fight its own currency counterfeiting by Pakistan. It thinks that its responsibility is over just by releasing some ads in the media. The poor citizen has to bear the loss. When it comes to the case of fake Stamp papers, Govt. accepts them because a lot of powerful people are involved.
That is the history of Indian Govt.fighting this menace. Fighting this menace is very simple. You just have to ask Reserve Bank
of India for Its expertise.
RBI fights it by releasing some ads in the media on how to differentiate
counterfeit currency notes. There the Govt's responsibility ends. While
such a difficult task is achieved by ads in the media, fighting
counterfeit goods must be far simpler.
There are countless Babus in Delhi who can give you suggestions.
Effectively checking the menace is a different subject, though.
A.V.Sundararajan
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Re: Counterfeiting
S. Deodhar | Thu Jan 5 09:22:20 2012
U r right. We cannot do anything unless govt does something to prevent counterfeiting --- by others or from within the country
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Even now it is not too late...
Fredrick Jebaraj | Thu Jan 5 04:56:58 2012
We in India should have had a good approach policy towards importing Chinese products. Right from the day one this is absent. Many greedy traders have adored the Chinese products despite knowing that they are of inferior quality just for making money. It is natural counterfeiting will take place and all our small and medium players who are the veins of the economy will decay leading to a economic cancer which no chemo or radiation can cure instead will fracture/bring a permanent dent in the economy which is globally fragile and is deteriorating day by day. If we clamp the import of Chinese products to India we will see a visible change in the economy. One should not forget that Indian products are known for their rugged but dirty finish in the International market. Chinese are known for their dazzling finish but useless components (use and throw-short life). Why did the Indian market forget this truth. Instead of correcting their finished products why did they take the short route for destruction. Now we are screaming of pain. Even now it is not too late. Let the Government take a initiative to curb the Chinese products invading our Indian market. See the Indian market will glow. Let the manufacturers learn some lessons from the Chinese manufacturers.
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Re: Even now it is not too late...
Jivan Arora | Thu Jan 5 09:24:17 2012
It is big concern for SMEs really. How can we survive if China sends everything to India from electronics to soaps that attract our people due to unbelievably low prices. At least counterfeiting from China should be stopped
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Re: Even now it is not too late...
A.V.Sundararajan. | Thu Jan 5 14:33:20 2012
It is never too late to act. The surgery will be late only if the patient is already dead. However, action arises from a deep commitment. We are all seeing what kind of commitment the politicians are exposing in fighting corruption. Do we expect anything to happen with this type of politicians and the bureaucracy?
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What Japan did post-war, China is doing now
Prof. Sitesh Dutt | Thu Jan 5 01:31:27 2012
History is repeating itself. What Japan did post-war, China is doing now. Cheap Japanese goods flooded the market like the Chinese goods are doing now. The real threat is when China improves it's quality as it will have to if it is to survive in the long-term.
India has to improve it's quality of Surveillance and Law enforcement (long overdue)....AND it's Manufacturing Process Capability.
It has to learn the Total Quality approach...Doing Right Things Right starting with the Government. The top leaders of the country have to LEARN the TQ approach if India is to progress.
Threats will keep on coming in fact at a faster speed thanks to improved Technology. I shudder to think how many counterfeit notes are in circulation today! Check the 500 and 1000 rupee notes in your hand. Are you sure these are genuine just because you have got these from your ATM? Food for thought. Ciao!
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Re: What Japan did post-war, China is doing now
G Haloi | Thu Jan 5 09:26:00 2012
I think Japan was more ethical that time. Often they targeted unexplored and ignored segments in the US. But India is now seeing a greater threat as the attack by counterfeiters is on every existing segment.
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I recommend no biz with China
Suzanne Stoeckle | Wed Jan 4 21:12:58 2012
I recommend marketing, sales and purchasing opportunities to my clients constantly ..for this reason I do not recommend my clients to do any kind of business with China. Suzanne Saffron Marketing
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Re: I recommend no biz with China
Vishwanathan | Thu Jan 5 09:28:00 2012
How long China itself would enjoy this! After some time, the world would start doing the same - not believe Chinese supplies. Long-term, it will certainly face trust crisis. Thanks
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Counterfeiting – China always turns a blind eye
Simon | Wed Jan 4 12:10:17 2012
It is common knowledge that counterfeiting in China is done in connivance with the Govt and the Police. Every street corner in China is full of fakes, in Guangzhou Beijing Lu, Zhanxi Lu, the leather and shoes wholesale markets is an open secret..the SEG Elecronics market and Lo Hu market in Shenzhen is full of fakes and copyright products. The govt does not know about this in a tightly controlled Communist set up?? The Govt turns a blind eye and does almost nothing to give employment and living to its people in a one -party system. The Chinese also cannot produce anything themselves creatively and thus copying other people designs and concept is an easy way out.By this way everyone makes money at the expense of the original creator.
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Re: Counterfeiting – China always turns a blind eye
J Raj | Thu Jan 5 07:43:46 2012
It is really dangerous. Such cunning economic warfare can damage our economy. International pressure is needed to prevent it but does the rest of the world has courage to do that to such a giant as China. Instead, all countries should take strict measure to prevent entry of smuggling/supply of counterfeit (but not cheap products) into their land. No other way out. Nothing we should hope from Chinese government.
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Re: Counterfeiting – China always turns a blind eye
A.V.Sundararajan. | Thu Jan 5 14:18:40 2012
India is no less in its capacity to turn a blind eye to anything wrong. For instance, let us take the example of Lajpat Rai market in Delhi. It is common knowledge that the entire business is done without bill. Only people (in their official capacity alone) who are not aware of this are the Sales Tax professional!!!! The reason is corruption as everyone knows. The law and the enforcement wings are to work in tandem.
In a democracy everything starts from people. Fundamentally, the people are corrupt and only when they decide not to be so, there will be some hope for the future. It is possible to find some men with clean hands and uncorrupted mind. It is very difficult to find such women.
Corruption is fed by mothers to their children. This has to change.
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Chinese goods cheaper, better
Krishnan Raman | Wed Jan 4 08:34:24 2012
Why this happens? Chinese goods are still cheaper and better quality. So if we can match that locally then they cannot think of counterfeiting and dumping the goods in our market.
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Re: Chinese goods cheaper, better
Anand from MP | Thu Jan 5 07:18:06 2012
I have recently bought a Chinese carpet - a really big one. Retail market price: Rs 150. There is another bigger size - a large large one I have never seen in a ordinary Indian shop. Retail market price Rs. 300. Could we imagine of going so far in PRICE WAR. I know they are of the lowest quality but they will survive at least a few years till I have enough money to buy a Indian carpet that costs minimum Rs. 6000 in a small-town-shop and may be Rs. 20000 in a Delhi Super market.
The thing is that, Chinese products enjoy such a great edge in terms of price (and they have the technology to produce such cheap goods), we can hardly compete them in that area. As far quality is concerned, we are much much ahead but the income range of most of the Indian people are not enough to go for a good number of those products. Even if one can buy a Rs. 20000 carpet, he is likely to be lured by the Rs. 150 or Rs. 300 one for the time being.
The truth is that India cannot produce such cheap goods. China can and they know it is the Achilles heel of the Indian market. So let the latter to do that and let their only not-way-out-but-to-be-price-conscious consumers enjoy the products. On the other hand, let those who can afford the quality-high-priced Indian goods who can afford them. Let Indians export their high quality goods to Chinese rich people, and world over. Protectionism will do no good.
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Re: Re: Chinese goods cheaper, better
S. Gupta | Thu Jan 5 08:00:43 2012
Mr Anupam, we are talking here about fake products, not cheap products
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CHINESE PRODUCTS
C.SATISHKUMAR | Wed Jan 4 06:39:03 2012
To solve these problems Indians must adhere to the good old policy of "be Indian and buy Indian". Indian manufacturers must eradicate the policy of : "anything will be sold in Indian market". Are our people so much lacking in quality??? Hi all, Indians think that the "Chinese stuffs are cheap and best" which is not so. They only look good but functionally will not serve the purpose. The buyer will notice this soon and will stop buying such bad stuffs that looks great. Indians must refuse the bad quality stuff and should pay a little more and buy the best India-made products and help the manufacturing sector. Believe that people need quality and not cheap stuffs. Indian manufacturers must do better and do R&D and deliver long lasting stuffs which they used to do some time ago. You all will agree with me, if you are patriotic. Greedy traders try to enhance their margins by importing cheap stuffs and in the bargain injure the local industry, and cheating the customers also.. which the Govt. of India should put an end to. This is the Indian peoples request... "Jai Hind"
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Re: CHINESE PRODUCTS
Vikash --- Not easy to prevent | Thu Jan 5 09:32:49 2012
Right. But a long time still Indian buyers are buying Chinese goods like hot cakes. We cannot prevent them from buying. We cannot stop China from selling (the not-fake ones at least), we cannot prevent local sellers' 'greed', we cannot prevent buyers' high price consciousness (even at the cost of economy)
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Counterfeiting in China
CHADHA G C | Wed Jan 4 05:37:57 2012
CHINA IS OFFERING INNOVATING TECHNOLOGY.PUNITIVE DETERRENCE MUST. DETAILED MARKING AND LABELLING MUST. MARK GENUINE BUYERS. HELP CUSTOMER TO IDENTIFY COUNTERFEIT.BREAK NEXUS
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Re: Counterfeiting in China
HNP | Thu Jan 5 09:33:57 2012
Please elaborate.
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Counterfeiting
K. Deshpande | Wed Jan 4 05:25:30 2012
Your last paragraph sums up the issue very well that China should introduce stringent methods. At the same time there is a need for India to look into the rampant counterfeiting, plagiarism, piracy and so many other issues which is costing the country dearly. Also, our markets are filled with Chinese products, I was shopping for a small statue of Ganpati for my car and managed to purchase one Made in Chine, the unabated influx of Chinese products is severely denting the local artisans and manufacturers. We need to curb the imports of Chinese goods into India, if we want our business to survive.
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Re: Counterfeiting
Robert R. | Thu Jan 5 05:17:50 2012
Yes, and how would you feel if the Chinese government instructed all its citizens to stop buying anything made in India, so as to protect their own manufacturing businesses ? I think this is just a nationalistic and xenophobic reaction which is not in anyone's interests worldwide.
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Re: Re: Counterfeiting
G Asprey | Sun Jan 8 14:40:38 2012
Your reply seems to me you have not understood the argument, & if you have then it throws some light why you have presented youself this way? Obviousley not an inventer.
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